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	<title>Comments on: Karen’s blog from SEMICON West 2012</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Rosa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In general as the semiconductor industry begins to set its sights on 450mm there is a lot and I mean huge amounts of resources being poured into the development of the tools and devices for this significant node adoption.  This is probably why all the hubbub at Semicon and the like, probably only getting worse as time marches on and companies like TSMC tout the adoption or move to 450mm as a near term reality….
 
As far as 200mm goes (this includes MEMS as one of many emerging technologies at this wafer size), we are one of the few companies continuing to develop new and innovative technologies at this wafer size to support the growing markets such as MEMS, Power Devices, Analog Devices, etc, etc.  I guess it’s a matter of relative market size.  When the world speaks of 450mm they think in terms of 10&#039;s of $M and up, per tool prices…. When they think of 200mm technologies its still in the $1M+ range.  This obviously has significant impact on who gets all the attention.
 
That being said, technologies such as MEMS continue to evolve and become more complex in their fabrication requirements.  This is driving continued development in all our areas of fabrication DRIE, CVD, PVD, etc, etc.  We’re at a point (even just for MEMS) where I can list HW or process advances needed on each tool that are driven by the design of more complex MEMS or the integration of several types of MEMS onto one chip, etc.  Give me a device and I&#039;ll show you all the processes and/or advanced films required to enable it - every device has a secret sauce that enables its funcionality - a process or film that is key to its high yield fabrication.
 
So, while it may seem from the outside looking in that big Semi is focused on everything else – there are groups within tool vendor industry that continue to invest heavily in 200mm and for us at least that means a significant support for the growing MEMS industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general as the semiconductor industry begins to set its sights on 450mm there is a lot and I mean huge amounts of resources being poured into the development of the tools and devices for this significant node adoption.  This is probably why all the hubbub at Semicon and the like, probably only getting worse as time marches on and companies like TSMC tout the adoption or move to 450mm as a near term reality….</p>
<p>As far as 200mm goes (this includes MEMS as one of many emerging technologies at this wafer size), we are one of the few companies continuing to develop new and innovative technologies at this wafer size to support the growing markets such as MEMS, Power Devices, Analog Devices, etc, etc.  I guess it’s a matter of relative market size.  When the world speaks of 450mm they think in terms of 10&#8242;s of $M and up, per tool prices…. When they think of 200mm technologies its still in the $1M+ range.  This obviously has significant impact on who gets all the attention.</p>
<p>That being said, technologies such as MEMS continue to evolve and become more complex in their fabrication requirements.  This is driving continued development in all our areas of fabrication DRIE, CVD, PVD, etc, etc.  We’re at a point (even just for MEMS) where I can list HW or process advances needed on each tool that are driven by the design of more complex MEMS or the integration of several types of MEMS onto one chip, etc.  Give me a device and I&#8217;ll show you all the processes and/or advanced films required to enable it &#8211; every device has a secret sauce that enables its funcionality &#8211; a process or film that is key to its high yield fabrication.</p>
<p>So, while it may seem from the outside looking in that big Semi is focused on everything else – there are groups within tool vendor industry that continue to invest heavily in 200mm and for us at least that means a significant support for the growing MEMS industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Lightman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Peter - thanks for the post and for catching my typo re. MEMS on 300mm (which I have since changed in my blog!); yes MEMS is only up to 200 mm now. 
but back to your question: What WILL it take for MEMS to break us out of the &quot;little sister to IC&quot; mindset? We&#039;ve come a long way, but we sure have some work to do...thank goodness we have great companies like Silex helping to change the mindset, one wafer batch at a time...

@Bryon thanks for your note as well - yes I think it&#039;s a basic human tendency to follow the next new shiny bright thing (reminds me of a scene from Finding Nemo). I saw a recent twitter post from @Ira_Feldman linking to this report: http://j.mp/PEOXrs  that  referenced the impact of a switch from 300 to 450mm on the IC supply chain. Clearly this is an issue that folks are discussing; but for MEMS it&#039;s just not relevant. I especially love your sentence &quot;um, yeah, I&#039;d like one wafer please?&quot; that is brilliant - thanks guys!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter &#8211; thanks for the post and for catching my typo re. MEMS on 300mm (which I have since changed in my blog!); yes MEMS is only up to 200 mm now.<br />
but back to your question: What WILL it take for MEMS to break us out of the &#8220;little sister to IC&#8221; mindset? We&#8217;ve come a long way, but we sure have some work to do&#8230;thank goodness we have great companies like Silex helping to change the mindset, one wafer batch at a time&#8230;</p>
<p>@Bryon thanks for your note as well &#8211; yes I think it&#8217;s a basic human tendency to follow the next new shiny bright thing (reminds me of a scene from Finding Nemo). I saw a recent twitter post from @Ira_Feldman linking to this report: <a href="http://j.mp/PEOXrs" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/PEOXrs</a>  that  referenced the impact of a switch from 300 to 450mm on the IC supply chain. Clearly this is an issue that folks are discussing; but for MEMS it&#8217;s just not relevant. I especially love your sentence &#8220;um, yeah, I&#8217;d like one wafer please?&#8221; that is brilliant &#8211; thanks guys!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryon Moyer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious if there really is a fizzling going on, or if it&#039;s just the ADD tendencies of marketing and the media as new bright and shiny things show up. It makes you think that there is no longer any use for the previous bright and shiny thing that we&#039;ve become bored with now.

But, in fact, just as there are still lots of takers for older technology nodes like 90 nm or even larger, my guess is that there will be plenty of non-MEMS semiconductor guys that will resist the push to 450 mm. After all, for some folks, a 450-mm wafer may hold more than a year&#039;s supply of dice. It&#039;s probably humiliating to go to a foundry and say, &quot;Um, yeah, I&#039;d like one wafer please?&quot;

So MEMS folks may have plenty of company in using 200- and 300-mm wafers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious if there really is a fizzling going on, or if it&#8217;s just the ADD tendencies of marketing and the media as new bright and shiny things show up. It makes you think that there is no longer any use for the previous bright and shiny thing that we&#8217;ve become bored with now.</p>
<p>But, in fact, just as there are still lots of takers for older technology nodes like 90 nm or even larger, my guess is that there will be plenty of non-MEMS semiconductor guys that will resist the push to 450 mm. After all, for some folks, a 450-mm wafer may hold more than a year&#8217;s supply of dice. It&#8217;s probably humiliating to go to a foundry and say, &#8220;Um, yeah, I&#8217;d like one wafer please?&#8221;</p>
<p>So MEMS folks may have plenty of company in using 200- and 300-mm wafers.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Himes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree that MEMS seems to be getting shuffled off into the corner, despite still very strong activity and interest! And Karen, the MEMS can be made on 200mm wafers, we aren&#039;t up to 300mm yet! Still the fact is that 450mm is driving the equipment guys and though MEMS is still growing strong it is still 10% of the overall market. But MEMS is more than an embellishment for ICs - what will it take to break out from this mindset?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that MEMS seems to be getting shuffled off into the corner, despite still very strong activity and interest! And Karen, the MEMS can be made on 200mm wafers, we aren&#8217;t up to 300mm yet! Still the fact is that 450mm is driving the equipment guys and though MEMS is still growing strong it is still 10% of the overall market. But MEMS is more than an embellishment for ICs &#8211; what will it take to break out from this mindset?</p>
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